Justin Bieber Mom $10M Anti-Abortion Film
Justin Bieber's mom Pattie Mallette is executive producer for new anti-abortion short film, reports Fox News. 'Crescendo' makers hope to raise $10 million for pregnancy centers at screenings worldwide starting Feb. 28. Mallette herself will appear at some of these.
Pattie has written and spoken about addiction and abuse that led to her teenage pregnancy. She hopes her involvement will let women know that there is a place to go, people who will take care of you & a safe home to live in if you're pregnant and think you have nowhere else to turn.
Do YOU think girls should not be allowed to get an abortion?
Pattie is such a beautiful and strong lady. I have a feeling this forum is going to get messy if we all start debating abortion. What is important is that Pattie is such a wonderful woman and I would recommend you read her book "Nowhere But Up" she has an incredible story.
Is this thing still alive?
i would get one if i got pregnant today (i'm turning 18 tomorrow)
but i admire people who are young and choose to carry the child or even raise it
off topic but what is he trying prove?
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What a bitch. Seriously, I don't understand why these idiots care so much about what other women do with their bodies. Raising a child is freaking expensive. Unless they're willing to take care of that baby, they should butt out of it and let women make the choices that are best for them.
OMG girls should have the right to choose..it's situation by situation
Abortion is a very personal choice. It shoudn't be to society to decide and NO ONE shoul have the right to force a woman to become a mother if she doesn't want to. It took years and years and a lot of sacrfifices from very strong women who fought for this right and who FINALLY, after years of struggling, granted the woman the right of not being a mother if she doesn't want to. It's so scary to see today, in the 21 st century, that there are people who want to go back to what we had in the old time and who want to erase all the efforts and sacrifices of those brave women, who gave women the power of choice.
why is it woman want their rights but then they do shit like this. No one is telling HER she has to get an abortion. Let woman make their own choice about their own body.
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Of course they should be allowed to abort something they can't raise or what about if they were raped, you wouldn't want to raise a reminder.
I was going to say something mean but I decided against it.
Hey folks, it is to raise money to build clinics and housing, not to prevent the right to have an abortion but to see there is another way. Jeez you all are myopic
abortion is, KILLING! your killing a BABY! i cant believe that doesnt make you guys sick! besides rape, getting pregnant is not an 'accident.'
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abortion is, KILLING! your killing a BABY! i cant believe that doesnt make you guys sick! besides rape, getting pregnant is not an 'accident.'
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It's not considered a baby until a certain stage in the pregnancy. It doesn't make me sick because I wouldn't try to force a woman to have a baby she doesn't want. What makes me sick is people trying to take away women's rights.
Getting pregnant can be an accident.
Abortion is murder. At any stage. You are stopping the procession of life, whether it's still a 'clump of cells' or an actual fetus. It's disgusting to do such a thing. If you don't want a baby, don't spread your fucking legs. And if you're old enough to play, you're old enough to pay.
&To the people saying 'what about rape'? Well, I think rape is senseless and the rapist should be punished to the very extent of the law. BUT, it's not that baby's fault. There are things like closed adoptions. As for the sale of the mother, I honestly, would die for my baby to live.
In some circumstances, and I say some, I think abortion is the most selfish thing a woman can do.
abortion is, KILLING! your killing a BABY! i cant believe that doesnt make you guys sick! besides rape, getting pregnant is not an 'accident.'
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A fetus isn't a baby. Take basic biology, you'll learn this.
Abortion is murder. At any stage. You are stopping the procession of life, whether it's still a 'clump of cells' or an actual fetus. It's disgusting to do such a thing. If you don't want a baby, don't spread your fucking legs. And if you're old enough to play, you're old enough to pay.
&To the people saying 'what about rape'? Well, I think rape is senseless and the rapist should be punished to the very extent of the law. BUT, it's not that baby's fault. There are things like closed adoptions. As for the sale of the mother, I honestly, would die for my baby to live.
In some circumstances, and I say some, I think abortion is the most selfish thing a woman can do.
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So according to your logic a woman having their period or a man masturbating are murderers too because the eggs and sperm are potential life. I see, I see.
agree people against abortion aren't scientist of sure.
agree people against abortion aren't scientist of sure.
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LOL
LMFAO. Science is flawed and isn't the answer. It'll always be that way.
So according to your logic a woman having their period or a man masturbating are murderers too because the eggs and sperm are potential life. I see, I see.
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*rolls eyes* Oh, yeah. That's exactly what I mean.
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Abortion is murder. At any stage. You are stopping the procession of life, whether it's still a 'clump of cells' or an actual fetus. It's disgusting to do such a thing. If you don't want a baby, don't spread your fucking legs. And if you're old enough to play, you're old enough to pay.
&To the people saying 'what about rape'? Well, I think rape is senseless and the rapist should be punished to the very extent of the law. BUT, it's not that baby's fault. There are things like closed adoptions. As for the sale of the mother, I honestly, would die for my baby to live.
In some circumstances, and I say some, I think abortion is the most selfish thing a woman can do.
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Why would you make a rape victim carry a child they don't want? It wasn't their fault either so why should they have to pay the price? Rape victims feel dirty after they are raped and by forcing them to carry a baby whose father was their rapist you're only adding to that. It can be traumatizing. Sure, there are adoptions, but what about those nine months the woman has to go through? Or what about medical cost? What if she doesn't want her body to change because of her pregnancy?
You're against abortion but tell me, will you be there to support those mothers? Are you going to give them money to feed, clothe, and shelter those babies?
Do you want to raise your child when you are 15 ?
You suck.
I love you
Why would you make a rape victim carry a child they don't want? It wasn't their fault either so why should they have to pay the price? Rape victims feel dirty after they are raped and by forcing them to carry a baby whose father was their rapist you're only adding to that. It can be traumatizing. Sure, there are adoptions, but what about those nine months the woman has to go through? Or what about medical cost? What if she doesn't want her body to change because of her pregnancy?
You're against abortion but tell me, will you be there to support those mothers? Are you going to give them money to feed, clothe, and shelter those babies?
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Of course it's going to be traumatizing, and I completely sympathize with those victims. But, there is therapy. Hardcore therapy that could maybe help them somewhat. I know it'll never fix everything, but like you said, it's 9 months. 9. That's it. And then as soon as that baby comes out, then she'd never have to see him/her again, if that's what she wanted. Then, maybe, she'd really be able to start healing.
There are usually halfway houses that help with hospital bills and places to stay and such. And if I ever knew a rape victim who became pregnant, of course I'd be there for them. And so would a lot of people too, I think.
Y'all people realize that HAVING an abortion can lead to severe depression in some women, right? It's kinda a loose-loose road.
Better to abort the child then have them grow up living a shitty life with parents that don't care about them.
*rolls eyes* Oh, yeah. That's exactly what I mean.
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Seems to be.
Better to abort the child then have them grow up living a shitty life with parents that don't care about them.
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....That's such an ignorant comment.
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Seems to be.
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Mkay. You keep thinking that.
Do people not understand that maybe the child wouldn't want to grow up with parents that wanted to abort them? Or in a foster home with hundreds of other children wanting to be adopted but maybe will never be and also living with just the fact their parents didn't want them. I fucking wouldn't.
....That's such an ignorant comment.
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Yeah you try growing up in an unloving family.
Mkay. You keep thinking that.
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And you keep thinking that you make any sense.
Of course it's going to be traumatizing, and I completely sympathize with those victims. But, there is therapy. Hardcore therapy that could maybe help them somewhat. I know it'll never fix everything, but like you said, it's 9 months. 9. That's it. And then as soon as that baby comes out, then she'd never have to see him/her again, if that's what she wanted. Then, maybe, she'd really be able to start healing.
There are usually halfway houses that help with hospital bills and places to stay and such. And if I ever knew a rape victim who became pregnant, of course I'd be there for them. And so would a lot of people too, I think.
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Exactly, therapy can only help "somewhat". Those nine months aren't easy and don't go by fast. A pregnancy isn't easy, it's a lot of work. You said that afterwards, she can start healing but during those nine months, the woman can become depressed which would slow down her recovery. Rape victims try to move on from their experiences but if you look down and see a baby bump, that doesn't help move on. That's a constant reminder you have for nine months. Forcing them to have a baby they don't want is brutal.
They don't all help though. Sometimes the help they give isn't enough. My family is low middle class but we can't afford health care so if I was to be raped, guess who has to pay my bills? My parents. We have other expenses, such as paying for my brother's tuition, that's $30,000 a year. If we tell them we need help to pay those bills, we don't get it. Why? Because according to them, my family has enough money to pay. I probably wouldn't be able to get the care I need. Then, we have the pregnancy expenses. Do you know how much it cost to have a baby? Insurance can be so damn expensive. It would be a financial burden for my family. So no, not everyone gets help.
I wasn't just talking about rape victims. I was talking about women who get abortions in general. Many of them get them because they can't afford them.
Yeah you try growing up in an unloving family.
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Are you kidding me? There's thousands and thousands of women who can't have children because they're sterile. And what do you think they turn to? Adoption.
Trust me, adoption is a grueling process, and most adoption agencies care deeply about their work and do the very best to ensure the baby will grow up in a loving home.
Mkay. You keep thinking that.
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And you keep thinking that you make any sense.
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LMFAO. Okay, I will.
Are you kidding me? There's thousands and thousands of women who can't have children because they're sterile. And what do you think they turn to? Adoption.
Trust me, adoption is a grueling process, and most adoption agencies care deeply about their work and do the very best to ensure the baby will grow up in a loving home.
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I'm saying for those who don't put the kid up for adoption. Even if they do, there is no guarantee that the child will be adopted because there are so many kids that want to be and especially if it's father is a rapist.
LMFAO. Okay, I will.
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It's nice that you came to terms with it.
Wow. Most of you make me sick. I'm 17, and I'm pregnant. Was that planned? Of course not.. but I couldn't imagine how someone could get an abortion, I've loved my baby from the second I found out I was pregnant. At 9 weeks 3 days, I got to hear my perfect babies heart beat for the first time & see it wiggle it's teeny tiny arms & legs... so I have no idea how you can say that it's not considered a baby.
Are you kidding me? There's thousands and thousands of women who can't have children because they're sterile. And what do you think they turn to? Adoption.
Trust me, adoption is a grueling process, and most adoption agencies care deeply about their work and do the very best to ensure the baby will grow up in a loving home.
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Everyone always says, "Well, just put them up for adoption."
Many parents try to adopt but adoption centers make it so hard for them to adopt. Couples give up after a while. Adoption centers aren't all that great. The children don't often get the attention they need and even after they are adopted they have problems. My friends adopted brother started having behavioral problems. They took him to a psychologist and they concluded that it was because he had a hard time in adoption centers. Children in foster care don't always have the care they need. My friends that come from foster care systems complain about them and don't feel loved.
What about over population? We don't need more kids.
Exactly, therapy can only help "somewhat". Those nine months aren't easy and don't go by fast. A pregnancy isn't easy, it's a lot of work. You said that afterwards, she can start healing but during those nine months, the woman can become depressed which would slow down her recovery. Rape victims try to move on from their experiences but if you look down and see a baby bump, that doesn't help move on. That's a constant reminder you have for nine months. Forcing them to have a baby they don't want is brutal.
They don't all help though. Sometimes the help they give isn't enough. My family is low middle class but we can't afford health care so if I was to be raped, guess who has to pay my bills? My parents. We have other expenses, such as paying for my brother's tuition, that's $30,000 a year. If we tell them we need help to pay those bills, we don't get it. Why? Because according to them, my family has enough money to pay. I probably wouldn't be able to get the care I need. Then, we have the pregnancy expenses. Do you know how much it cost to have a baby? Insurance can be so damn expensive. It would be a financial burden for my family. So no, not everyone gets help.
I wasn't just talking about rape victims. I was talking about women who get abortions in general. Many of them get them because they can't afford them.
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But somewhat is better than nothing. I know it's scarring, but you can work your way towards healing. Look at Jaycee Dugard. She's a great example of a strong woman who had endured so many terrible, terrible things. Look at where she is now. She may never be able to forget what happened, BUT, she was able to live 18 years like that. And out of those 18 years, she was probably pregnant for a total of 1 1/2 years. And look at how much she loves her daughters. They were rape babies.
&If you can't afford to have a baby, then don't spread your legs. It's as simple as that. Condoms and birth control aren't 100% effective.
Wow. Most of you make me sick. I'm 17, and I'm pregnant. Was that planned? Of course not.. but I couldn't imagine how someone could get an abortion, I've loved my baby from the second I found out I was pregnant. At 9 weeks 3 days, I got to hear my perfect babies heart beat for the first time & see it wiggle it's teeny tiny arms & legs... so I have no idea how you can say that it's not considered a baby.
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Uhhh.. Some people aren't like you bro.
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Wow. Most of you make me sick. I'm 17, and I'm pregnant. Was that planned? Of course not.. but I couldn't imagine how someone could get an abortion, I've loved my baby from the second I found out I was pregnant. At 9 weeks 3 days, I got to hear my perfect babies heart beat for the first time & see it wiggle it's teeny tiny arms & legs... so I have no idea how you can say that it's not considered a baby.
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People are in very different circumstances. You can't base everyone's experience off of your own. Some women don't want children. They don't like children.
It's nice that you came to terms with it.
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Ha. You wish I would. Too bad. Obviously, we think and believe differently. You believe in murder, and I don't. Simple as that.
Abortion is murder. I dont understand how people can like, "oh now that im pregnant i am eating for two!" and then say that what they conceived isnt a person and kill it. and about the whole rape situation,she can put the baby up for adoption, or she can raise the child and be a parent. there are other options that do not involve killing a child. there is psychological distress is both routes, so why not take the route that leads to another child being born, because who knows, that child may come up with the cure for cancer, or be the president of the united states. can you imagine how different the world would be if justins mom had an abortion when times were troubled, or even if you never met your best friend because they were not even born. abortion is taking the life of a child. plus who is going to fight for the child who doesnt even get a choice in the matter? abortion is wrong.
If you don't want kids, then don't spread your legs!
God dang, is it that hard to understand?
Everyone always says, "Well, just put them up for adoption."
Many parents try to adopt but adoption centers make it so hard for them to adopt. Couples give up after a while. Adoption centers aren't all that great. The children don't often get the attention they need and even after they are adopted they have problems. My friends adopted brother started having behavioral problems. They took him to a psychologist and they concluded that it was because he had a hard time in adoption centers. Children in foster care don't always have the care they need. My friends that come from foster care systems complain about them and don't feel loved.
What about over population? We don't need more kids.
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So you're saying we should do what China does?
THIS ISN'T AN APPROPRIATE TOPIC OU! I mean seriously, this is only going to lead to fights. As for me i wouldn't be here if my mothers birth mom had chosen abortion. So I am pro adoption because I think it is a good option for women who aren't ready to be mothers.
As for the rape thing, I am not pro abortion in any way, but I understand it a bit more in these cases. It is less likely a child will be adopted in a case like this.
But in my mind stupid teenagers who get themselves pregnant should have to go through the process of being pregnant. After all it is their fault this happened to them, no one else.
This is my opinion though and I am not trying to put down anyone elses. This is just how I was raised and what I was raised to believe.
Ha. You wish I would. Too bad. Obviously, we think and believe differently. You believe in murder, and I don't. Simple as that.
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Lol at the fact you call abortion "murder" especially when the thing being murdered isn't even really a thing yet.
But somewhat is better than nothing. I know it's scarring, but you can work your way towards healing. Look at Jaycee Dugard. She's a great example of a strong woman who had endured so many terrible, terrible things. Look at where she is now. She may never be able to forget what happened, BUT, she was able to live 18 years like that. And out of those 18 years, she was probably pregnant for a total of 1 1/2 years. And look at how much she loves her daughters. They were rape babies.
&If you can't afford to have a baby, then don't spread your legs. It's as simple as that. Condoms and birth control aren't 100% effective.
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There are many strong women who can endure challenges but you can't expect every woman to be like that. People are very different. Their environment also affects them. Say you have the support of your family and friends.That makes it easier. If you don't have any support, it's really hard. I know that there are some women who love their babies even though they were a product of rape and I also know some that don't. That's why I believe women should have the right to choose.
You missed my point. I was talking about what it would be like if I was raped, not if I had consensual sex. It's not as simple as that. You have to understand that as humans, it's natural to have sexual desires.
Lol at the fact you call abortion "murder" especially when the thing being murdered isn't even really a thing yet.
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Lmao. 'Thing'? Wow. You're not understanding my point at all. Like I said, at whatever stage, you are still stopping the progression of life. Which comes down to murder. Get it through your head.
This is no place for a political debate OU. Stop attempting to stir up an argument. It makes your site trashy.
If you don't want kids, then don't spread your legs!
God dang, is it that hard to understand?
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And what about the people who get pregnant because of rapists?
The fact that OU has a demographic of young teens and preteens reading this site. SMH
This topic is completely unnecessary. There are too many young kids who are not educated enough on the topic to make their own decision.
So you're saying we should do what China does?
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Sure, if it helps defeat the problem of over population. We are running out of resources. We are close to having 7 billion people. 7 billion.
Lmao. 'Thing'? Wow. You're not understanding my point at all. Like I said, at whatever stage, you are still stopping the progression of life. Which comes down to murder. Get it through your head.
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EXACTLY THAT! It's not even life yet! Therefore it can't be murder.
This post is completely unnecessary.Stop trying to stir the pot
Lmao. 'Thing'? Wow. You're not understanding my point at all. Like I said, at whatever stage, you are still stopping the progression of life. Which comes down to murder. Get it through your head.
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So birth control and condoms are bad too because "you are still stopping the progression of life"?
I believe girls should have a choice. It's their choice if they want to or not. We should not take that away from them.
EXACTLY THAT! It's not even life yet! Therefore it can't be murder.
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Actually, throughout your whole life, even after birth, you're going through the progression of life as you age and your body changes. So, you're argument is invalid.
Not saying whether I agree or disagree with abortion, just saying that you're argument isn't a reliable one
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It's a woman's right to do whatever they want to their body and if that includes abortion, so be it. Don't set us back once again.
So birth control and condoms are bad too because "you are still stopping the progression of life"?
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Completely different. Birth control and condoms prevent the egg from being fertilized. Abortions occur after the sperm has fertilized the egg.
If a woman can have an abortion, then a father should be allowed to leave the mom and not pay child support if he doesn't want the kid.
OMG STOP ARGUING! JUST DROP IT PLEASE!
OMG STOP ARGUING! JUST DROP IT PLEASE!
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OU posted this to start an argument, so that's what people are going to do
Stupid OU!
Actually, throughout your whole life, even after birth, you're going through the progression of life as you age and your body changes. So, you're argument is invalid.
Not saying whether I agree or disagree with abortion, just saying that you're argument isn't a reliable one
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Regardless, a fetus isn't it's own life yet. You can almost equal it to a virus hosting on your body.
It's a bunch of fucking cells you people are fighting about. Get over it.
So birth control and condoms are bad too because "you are still stopping the progression of life"?
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You take everything a bit too literally. But condoms and birth control is fine to me. I'm not one of those people that's against it or whatever. I'm saying that once the egg is fertilized.
Regardless, a fetus isn't it's own life yet. You can almost equal it to a virus hosting on your body.
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But, there are some instances where a woman can still get an abortion, yet if she were to have the baby it could live on its own without the mother's body. For example, full term abortions. Or even abortions at 28 weeks. At this time, babies are capable of living without the mother's body if they were born. Yes, at 28 weeks they may need to be put temporarily on a feeding tube due to low birth rate, but they still have the capability of survival.
Regardless, a fetus isn't it's own life yet. You can almost equal it to a virus hosting on your body
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What a disgusting comment.
Regardless, a fetus isn't it's own life yet. You can almost equal it to a virus hosting on your body
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What a disgusting comment.
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Scientifically though,they are right. Miscarriages are the bodies way of fighting against the 'virus', so to speak.
you people need to go on youtube and look up 'the silent scream'. it shows a baby in the womb while it's about to be aborted. pretty messed up shit.
&fyi, i'm neutral on the matter.
OMG I just read this! At 28 weeks though the baby can be born with health issues they will will have to deal with for the rest of their life.
What a disgusting comment.
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Yeah well get over it.
agreed. Terrible way to think of it.
OMG I just read this! At 28 weeks though the baby can be born with health issues they will will have to deal with for the rest of their life.
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This goes for any amount of weeks. They can also be born and be perfectly healthy as they grow up at 28 weeks.
Scientifically though,they are right. Miscarriages are the bodies way of fighting against the 'virus', so to speak.
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Actually, no. Miscarriages happen for a variety of reasons, not simply because the body was 'fighting' back. A woman has a period each month, which means the body is preparing to have a baby in there anyway.
Yeah well get over it.
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People like you...just...SMH.
My father was severely abusive to my mother, however when she got pregnant in a small town, without the option of an abortion she kept me. She needed money for medical costs (and baby food, clothes, etc.) so she was forced to stay with him for another year after I was born. She left him as soon as she could when she had the resources for both of us to survive without him. Now everyday, I have to deal with this. That is something no one thinks about when they're arguing pro-life or pro-choice. What the child has to live everyday knowing. Obviously I'm sitting here, and for the most part I'm glad to be here. Even after years of therapy for my mom I can still see the past burnt into her eyes. And yes, I would give my life, to not have to see the trauma my mom endured in her eyes everytime I look at her. As for me, I can't imagine bringing a baby into the world in similar circumstances. I never would, because I know what that kid would have to go through.
It absolutely disgusts me to see that after so many centuries of fighting for woman's rights there are still women who want to step backwards.
Scientifically though,they are right. Miscarriages are the bodies way of fighting against the 'virus', so to speak.
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Actually, no. Miscarriages happen for a variety of reasons, not simply because the body was 'fighting' back. A woman has a period each month, which means the body is preparing to have a baby in there anyway.
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Periods are actually for shedding the uterine lining
I know this, but it is more likely at 28 weeks that is all I meant.
A virus is more of a life form than a fetus is, does that mean we should take care of it too instead of trying to get rid of it?
It absolutely disgusts me to see that after so many centuries of fighting for woman's rights there are still women who want to step backwards.
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Being pro-life and against abortions is not a step backwards. It's based on the women's personal views and whether or not she considers it a living thing.
The fact that OU has a demographic of young teens and preteens reading this site. SMH
This topic is completely unnecessary. There are too many young kids who are not educated enough on the topic to make their own decision.
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LMAO you're cute.
People like you...just...SMH.
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It's true though.
It absolutely disgusts me to see that after so many centuries of fighting for woman's rights there are still women who want to step backwards.
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Being pro-life and against abortions is not a step backwards. It's based on the women's personal views and whether or not she considers it a living thing
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Exactly.
The fact that OU has a demographic of young teens and preteens reading this site. SMH
This topic is completely unnecessary. There are too many young kids who are not educated enough on the topic to make their own decision.
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LMAO you're cute.
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It's true. Most young kids base their decision on their parents beliefs or favorite celebrities beliefs without knowing anything on the topic.
If you don't like abortions, don't get one. Easy as that. But don't tell other people not to get one. That's like pushing a religion on someone.
It's true though.
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Ha, hardly. You're ignorance is astounding. Therefore, I'm no longer going to waste my time responding to you. Peace out.
Ha, hardly. You're ignorance is astounding. Therefore, I'm no longer going to waste my time responding to you. Peace out.
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Tell me how it's vastly different then.
If you don't like abortions, don't get one. Easy as that. But don't tell other people not to get one. That's like pushing a religion on someone.
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Ok, how about the gun debate then?
If these people pushing for gun regulations don't like guns, how about they just not get one?
Being pro-life and against abortions is not a step backwards. It's based on the women's personal views and whether or not she considers it a living thing
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Excuse me!? being pro-choice means you believe that NO woman has the right to decide whether they want to be a mother. How is taking away a woman's right to chose not a step back?
It's true. Most young kids base their decision on their parents beliefs or favorite celebrities beliefs without knowing anything on the topic.
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And some, like myself, are old enough to think for themselves. Why are you even on this website, if you think it's full of preteens?
Just because someone doesn't agree with abortion doesn't mean they don't agree in women's rights. I am sorry that is really rude to those that don't feel that it is a good option. You can't act like someone is a bad person just because they don't agree with you. I don't agree in abortion, but I am not rude and disrespectful to those that do.
I just believe in other options besides abortion. My mother was adopted, so I have a good reason to feel this way. Plus it is just how I was raised and no one on here is going to change my opinion just like I am not going to try and change someone elses.
I'm a woman and other woman who are feminists just pisses me off.
Excuse me!? being pro-choice means you believe that NO woman has the right to decide whether they want to be a mother. How is taking away a woman's right to chose not a step back?
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So, say a woman is pro-choice but still thinks that what is inside her is a living thing. A mom can shoot her kids if she'd like? I mean, she doesn't want to be a mother anymore. Why not?
Beliefs /=/ taking a step back
And all you women that are pro-choice, answer this for me:
If a woman does decide to have the child, should the father have to stay and/or pay child support if he doesn't want the child?
I mean, he doesn't want to be a father. Why should he have to take that responsibility?
Ok, how about the gun debate then?
If these people pushing for gun regulations don't like guns, how about they just not get one?
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Yeah because you can equivalate it.. Guns are killing mothers, fathers, siblings, scarring people for life. Abortion may scar the individual but it was their choice to begin with to kill something that has yet to even take it's first breath.
So, say a woman is pro-choice but still thinks that what is inside her is a living thing. A mom can shoot her kids if she'd like? I mean, she doesn't want to be a mother anymore. Why not?
Beliefs /=/ taking a step back
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Children =/= Fetuses
Children =/= Fetuses
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Once again, that's a belief.
feminism
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fem·i·nism
[fem-uh-niz-uh?m]
noun
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the doctrine advocating social, political, and all other rights of women equal to those of men.
You're right. Equal rights, it's ridiculous.
Again, I'm pro- "choose not to have sex if you can't afford or don't want a baby"
Girls are embarrassing. Lets fight for our right to have sex but not deal with the outcome of our irresponsibility????
I understand being raped, but only a small percentage of abortions are due to rape.
Stop being promiscuous and make the initial choice not to have sex. Unless you can deal with the possibility of a baby. Idiots.
Once again, that's a belief.
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How is that even a belief? It's true. A fetus isn't a child. It could be but it isn't.
feminism
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fem·i·nism
[fem-uh-niz-uh?m]
noun
1.
the doctrine advocating social, political, and all other rights of women equal to those of men.
You're right. Equal rights, it's ridiculous.
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Alright, lemme restate that. Of course I think that we deserve everything men have and do, BUT, some things are just a bit too extreme for me.
Once again, that's a belief.
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How is that even a belief? It's true. A fetus isn't a child. It could be but it isn't.
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But it still has some characteristics of life, and some people consider that enough to consider the fetus a living thing.
How is that even a belief? It's true. A fetus isn't a child. It could be but it isn't.
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A fetus isn't a child? What the hell? Then /what/ is it? A damn alien?
"A significant correlation exists between childhood sexual abuse and teen pregnancy. An estimated 60 percent of teen girls’ first pregnancies are preceded by experiences of molestation, rape, or attempted rape. In one study, between 30 and 44 percent of teen mothers were victims of rape or attempted rape. Up to 20 percent of girls become pregnant as the direct result of rape."
http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/08/16/the-link-between-teen-p...
A fetus isn't a child? What the hell? Then /what/ is it? A damn alien?
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That doesn't make sense? So anything that isn't a child is an alien? The fuck? It's a bunch of cells that don't breathe, think, see, feel for the majority of the pregnancy.
But it still has some characteristics of life, and some people consider that enough to consider the fetus a living thing.
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I think a living thing is something that can breathe on it's own.
The only step back our society would be taking is taking a woman's right to choose. Honestly, another woman having and abortion is not going to affect your life. This debate is ridiculous.
And all you women that are pro-choice, answer this for me:
If a woman does decide to have the child, should the father have to stay and/or pay child support if he doesn't want the child?
I mean, he doesn't want to be a father. Why should he have to take that responsibility?
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A man hardly has to go through the hardships a woman, especially a teen goes through when taking care of a baby. The least they can do is chip in some money to keep it alive.
That doesn't make sense? So anything that isn't a child is an alien? The fuck? It's a bunch of cells that don't breathe, think, see, feel for the majority of the pregnancy.
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The heartbeat starts at 5-6 weeks, which translates to about 1 1/2 months. I really don't think that's the 'majority' of the pregnancy.
The only step back our society would be taking is taking a woman's right to choose. Honestly, another woman having and abortion is not going to affect your life. This debate is ridiculous.
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This. End of argument.
The heartbeat starts at 5-6 weeks, which translates to about 1 1/2 months. I really don't think that's the 'majority' of the pregnancy.
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And what does that have to do with "thinking, feeling, breathing", etc?
Simply HAVING an abortion has the potential to cause severe long term depression. The point is, people are always going to think differently than you. Having an abortion could spark uproar, and then deciding to keep the baby could spark uproar. It's really a loose-loose kind of thing.
I personally am pro-life.
Simply HAVING an abortion has the potential to cause severe long term depression. The point is, people are always going to think differently than you. Having an abortion could spark uproar, and then deciding to keep the baby could spark uproar. It's really a loose-loose kind of thing.
I personally am pro-life.
People need to just mind their own damn business. Like I said, don't have an abortion if you don't like it.
And what does that have to do with "thinking, feeling, breathing", etc?
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Doesn't matter. As soon as an organism has a heartbeat, that means that blood is pumping through it's body. As soon as you end that, you've just technically committed murder, because you stopped that heart from beating.
People need to just mind their own damn business. Like I said, don't have an abortion if you don't like it.
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People also need to keep their legs closed. If you're old enough to play, you're old enough to pay.
People also need to keep their legs closed. If you're old enough to play, you're old enough to pay.
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Lol at this same old dumb argument. Regardless, mind your own fucking business.
Doesn't matter. As soon as an organism has a heartbeat, that means that blood is pumping through it's body. As soon as you end that, you've just technically committed murder, because you stopped that heart from beating.
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So taking someone off life support because they are basically a vegetable is immoral and being a murderer too? Huh, go figure. Damn those doctors, they should be locked up. And we look up to them.
Lol at this same old dumb argument. Regardless, mind your own fucking business.
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*Shrugs*
That's usually what irresponsible, immature children say.
People also need to keep their legs closed. If you're old enough to play, you're old enough to pay.
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No, that's not true. Not everyone has sex to reproduce.We can only be as safe as technology let's us. Birth control and condoms are the only ways to protect ourselves while having sex. Just because you want to have sex doesn't mean you're anywhere near ready to raise a child.
*Shrugs*
That's usually what irresponsible, immature children say.
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Because people can't have sex for just pleasure..
So taking someone off life support because they are basically a vegetable is immoral and being a murderer too? Huh, go figure. Damn those doctors, they should be locked up. And we look up to them.
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That's different. I'm not going to go into it though, because frankly, you're not worth my time. See ya.
Because people can't have sex for just pleasure..
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Of course they can. But use protection if you don't want kids.
That's different. I'm not going to go into it though, because frankly, you're not worth my time. See ya.
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LOL you're leaving because you can't explain to me how it's different. A+.
Of course they can. But use protection if you don't want kids.
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I get where you're coming from but sometimes protection fails or you get that messed up individual who pokes holes into condoms because he wants kids.
guys.
if I were to get pregnant now I would suck it up and take care of my baby bc it was my bad choice to even let that happen (im 18) I don't really believe in abortion unless they got raped or something
I wouldn't have an abortion but who am I or any of you to say some one else can't? You can be personally pro life, but politically pro choice. If you think abortion is wrong then go ahead give up your dreams, risk your life and spend the next 18 years raising and paying for a child. If I were in that position, I know I have a rich family willing to support me and help me out but not everyone else has that option. If you are really so concerned with human life at least consider the mother's and everything she has to lose in hers before you judge.
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People also need to keep their legs closed. If you're old enough to play, you're old enough to pay.
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No, that's not true. Not everyone has sex to reproduce.We can only be as safe as technology let's us. Birth control and condoms are the only ways to protect ourselves while having sex. Just because you want to have sex doesn't mean you're anywhere near ready to raise a child.
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You can have sex at 13 years old and thats DEFINITELY not old enough to raise a child or even have a successful childbirth. You're pretty naive if you think people only have sex to have a child.
Abortion should only be permitted if the situation calls for it...
I personally am pro-life. I believe that if I got raped today, and got pregnant I would keep the baby or if I had sex and accidentally got pregnant I would definitely keep it.
I am also pro-choice. I don't believe thag I have any right to take part in that decision for anyone else. People keep posting this is my "personal" belief. That's just it. Personal. I believe that you're more than welcome to share your OPINION with me. But, when you decide you want to try and make decisions for me or take away the ability for me to make a choice pertaining to me, myself, and I you're crossing the line.
I'm not saying any of your beliefs are wrong. I'm just saying that I don't have to believe them as well.
No doubt if women weren't aloud to have abortions, suicide rates would go up. As well as abuse, the number of children in foster care, etc. We would have a hard time keeping up with that many children.. Kids wouldn't get the care they needed. Then yo
No doubt if women weren't aloud to have abortions, suicide rates would go up. As well as abuse, the number of children in foster care, etc. We would have a hard time keeping up with that many children.. Kids wouldn't get the care they needed. Then you have the problem of over population. It's the woman's choice whether she wants to have a baby or not. Ranting isn't going to change it. Shut the fuck up and worry about yourself. You have no right to force your opinion on everyone else. If you think it's wrong, that's ok. But stop trying to control other pe
Abortion should only be permitted if the situation calls for it...
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I disagree
No doubt if women weren't aloud to have abortions, suicide rates would go up. As well as abuse, the number of children in foster care, etc. We would have a hard time keeping up with that many children.. Kids wouldn't get the care they needed. Then you have the problem of over population. It's the woman's choice whether she wants to have a baby or not. Ranting isn't going to change it. Shut the fuck up and worry about yourself. You have no right to force your opinion on everyone else. If you think it's wrong, that's ok. But stop trying to control other people's lives.
It's always funny reading debates about abortion. The pro-choice group have facts and science to back up their claims, while the anti-choice people just whine that it's "murder" and "wrong" even though the only evidence they have for anything is that it's how they "feel".
But somewhat is better than nothing. I know it's scarring, but you can work your way towards healing. Look at Jaycee Dugard. She's a great example of a strong woman who had endured so many terrible, terrible things. Look at where she is now. She may never be able to forget what happened, BUT, she was able to live 18 years like that. And out of those 18 years, she was probably pregnant for a total of 1 1/2 years. And look at how much she loves her daughters. They were rape babies.
&If you can't afford to have a baby, then don't spread your legs. It's as simple as that. Condoms and birth control aren't 100% effective.
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Jaycee Dugard was kidnapped at 11 years old for 18 years, how can you even compare her to this? She was held captive and brainwashed as a child until she was 29. She wasn't just some normal woman walking around at night or drugged at a party who got raped or used a broken condom. She didn't carry on with her pregnancy to do the right thing and deny an abortion to save her kids lives. She was forced to have a baby in a shack at 13 and 15 against her will. She's a strong women no doubt but how can you say that because some one went through something sooo horrible that anyone else can just go to therapy have their baby and try to get over it. Lets see you get raped and get pregnant and then tell me if its as simple as you say it is. "But somewhat is better than nothing. I know it's scarring, but you can work your way towards healing." You know how fucking ignorant you sound? Do you REALLY know how scarring rape is? No you don't. So don't act like you do and say that simply because healing is possible its always obtainable. I'm pretty sure ANY rape victim including Jaycee Dugard would think everything you're saying is disgusting if they could read it.
No. This is so wrong and I do not agree with this woman or her son's views on the issue at all. If abortion becomes illegal or only legal in certain situations, we would be going back in time to a much, much worse period in history. Back when abortions weren't ok in society, women would attempt to perform the procedure on themselves and mutilate their bodies, often dying in the process! If you're willing to do that to abort, then clearly you should have that option. An unwanted baby is most likely to have an unhappy life; just because Justin got lucky and hit the jackpot doesn't mean most unexpected/unwanted children will. Taking away the option would ruin many lives, why do that?
Also, it is not murder in any way, since it is done before the baby is alive or aware of anything! It is not a human yet. If you think this is murder, than technically guys touching themselves are murderers, having protected sex is murdering...it's just so wrong to think that way!
Nobody's forcing you to abort, but don't force your views upon others either. I'm definitely pro-choice!
Regardless, a fetus isn't it's own life yet. You can almost equal it to a virus hosting on your body
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You people don't even know how a virus works, obviously. Learn some biology, then talk about abortion.
if I were to get pregnant now I would suck it up and take care of my baby bc it was my bad choice to even let that happen (im 18) I don't really believe in abortion unless they got raped or something
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I think people who think this way don't understand what a huge responsibility a baby is. Having one at 18, for example, means you don't have much money to take care of it, so you'd have to get a job right away and skip education. This means you won't have a very good job and won't get one any time soon, since you won't be able to study. This means you're likely to be poor and not provide enough money or attention (or both) for the baby. You will probably regret having the baby at some point. You're also more likely to have depression. Aborting is not a selfish decision, you also need to take the baby in consideration: are you really gonna be able to give it a happy life? If yes, carry on, if not then you need to sit down and think about it real hard.
Carrying on with a pregnancy just to make yourself feel like a good person without thinking the implications through is selfish!
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she's fucking stupid.
Wow this post exploded.
IF THIS IS YOUR ARGUMENT, THEN I HOPE YOU STICK TO YOUR BELIEFS AND DON'T EAT ANY ANIMALS, BECAUSE THAT REQUIRES YOU TO KILL LIFE. I HOPE YOU DO NOT GET CANCER TREATMENT - CHEMOTHERAPY, BECAUSE THAT REQUIRES YOU TO KILL CELLS - THE SMALLEST UNIT OF LIFE, BUT LIFE, LIKE YOU SAID. DON'T EXFOLIATE YOUR SKIN EITHER, BECAUSE THAT'S KILLING TOO! I TRULY HOPE YOU KNOW WHAT THE FUCK YOU'RE SAYING